Alleged Kansas Shooter Spoke Out To Local Show Host
SPRINGFIELD, Mass (WGGB) — A local man’s 2010 interview with a religious extremist who allegedly went on a violent anti-Jewish shooting spree Sunday in Kansas is going viral.
The conversation is shedding disturbing light into what led Glenn Miller to allegedly shoot three people outside two Jewish Community Centers.
David Pakman was born in Northampton, and attended the University of Massachusetts Amherst.
It was while Pakman was in college that he created “The David Pakman Show.” He focuses on several topics, including politics and the show is now broadcast on 160 stations, DIRECTV, and Dish Network.
In 2010, Pakman interviewed Miller about his anti-Jewish propaganda. Now, the interview is providing insight into why a man who identifies himself as a white supremacist violently killed three innocent people.
“I really became ‘Jew wise’ in 1974 when I started reading some independent publications published by white nationalist leaders,” Miller said on the show.
Pakman realized through Twitter on Sunday night that it was his former interviewee, Miller, that was arrested for shooting and killing three people earlier in the day.
The interview, which was already posted online, began taking off.
“It really hit me that the sense that that was the one extremist that I had talked to in the last few years that went beyond just words and actually went to violence,” Miller said. “There’s no question that it was shocking, and disturbing and scary. I mean certainly all of those things.”
“Everybody is afraid to step over the line because of political correctness,” Miller said in 2010.
At the time, Pakman’s show was hosted in Northampton, and has since moved to New York. Pakman says he often interviews people would be classified as “extremists.”
While Miller was obscene in his language and his agenda, Pakman says Miller did not make any explicit threats of violence.
At the time, Miller was running for a senate seat in Missouri.
“We’ve allowed tens of millions of foreign mud people to invade our country, steal our jobs and our women, and destroy our children’s future,” Miller said as part of his campaigning at the time. “America is no longer ours. America belongs to the Jews who rule it and to the mud people who multiply in it.”
Miller’s victims were a 53 year old woman, a 14 year old boy, and his 69 year old grandfather.
Investigators officially classified the shootings as hate crimes on Monday – something that many who are now hearing the uncomfortable interview between Pakman and Miller are not surprised by.
“That was clear from interviewing him: that he had very very strong views and very negative views about huge groups of people,” Pakman said.
Miller’s official name is actually Frazier Glenn Cross, but he publicly identified as Glenn Miller. The weekend violence isn’t his first time he’s been in trouble with the law.
Miller was convicted on weapons and threat charges in the 1980s, but he made a deal with prosecutors and only served five years in jail. In the interview with Pakman, he said it was Jews who convicted him of the crime.